Interviews
An Interview with Laurence Leamer
Barnes & Noble.com: You previously wrote The Kennedy Men and The Kennedy Women. What made you want to continue the saga and write this book about the next generation, the so-called Sons of Camelot?
Laurence Leamer: I envisioned these books as a trilogy, and this third volume finishes my 15 years of work on the subject.
B&N.com: Considering that many of the daughters are quite successful -- Caroline Kennedy Schlossberg, Maria Shriver, and Kathleen Kennedy Townsend -- why not also write about the "Daughters of Camelot"?
LL: All of the stories of the young Kennedy women are in the book I wrote, The Kennedy Women. The only thing is that it doesn't cover is the last decade.
B&N.com: What is the great attraction and appeal to you of the history of the Kennedy family?
LL: On one level, there is no drama in American life that equals that of the Kennedys. It is beyond Shakespeare and it is beyond Greek tragedy. On another level, the Kennedys are very much alive. And in writing about them, I felt very alive.
B&N.com: It is very interesting that before you get into the story of the grandsons of Joseph P. Kennedy, you spend a considerable amount of time talking about Robert Kennedy and Ted Kennedy. Why did you choose to do that, and what do you see as the most significant things about their life stories?
LL: Our fathers profoundly effect all of us. But I think I have never seen a family in which the fathers had such a profound influence. If Robert Kennedy had lived, America might have been different, but I know absolutely that the lives of Robert Kennedy's sons would have been profoundly different. Ted Kennedy became a surrogate father to John and Caroline, and to Robert Kennedy's children. He had a massive impact on their lives.
Also, Robert Kennedy began the reinvention of American liberalism. He understood that big government did not necessarily mean good government. He understood the perniciousness of welfare. He was one of the first politicians that understood when you have generations living on welfare, it could be devastating and harmful to people. He thought there had to be a better way. At that time, no other Democratic politician understood that. As for Senator Ted Kennedy, he probably will be considered the greatest legislator of the 20th century. As a sign of that, last year former president George H. W. Bush gave Sen. Kennedy an award for distinguished public service.
B&N.com: On the other hand, you uncovered some new information on Chappaquiddick. What was it?
LL: I interviewed Joe Gargan, Ted Kennedy's first cousin, and he described Ted Kennedy right after the accident as not wanting to take responsibility. He asked not what had happened to Mary Jo Kopechne but what might happen to him and his career. Joe Gargan said that Kennedy was seeking some way to not take the blame.
B&N.com: Of all the Sons of Camelot, readers are the most interested in John F. Kennedy Jr. Other than his name, why was he so appealing?
LL: John was a great hope of this generation. He knew it, and he was taking his time getting where he was going. He was planning -- he was thinking seriously about running for the Senate from New York in the year 2000.
B&N.com: But one often heard that he didn't like publicity.
LL: That isn't true. He loved publicity. He wasn't happy when the cameras weren't there.
B&N.com: Was he a man who died with great promise unfulfilled? Or was he really just an ordinary man with a great name?
LL: He was a man with immense potential. He understood that potential. He had the potential to become the president of the United States. But, as he said in the last weeks of his life, he would have had to toughen up. He couldn't deal with male authority figures.
B&N.com: Of all of RFK's sons, who do you think is the most interesting, and why?
LL: Bobby Kennedy Jr. is. He took the journey from heroin addiction to becoming a highly prominent environmental lawyer. His story is fascinating.
B&N.com: What about the Shriver sons? Again, who was the most interesting, and why?
LL: The oldest son, Bobby Shriver, is. He has had emotional struggles, and he was very honest in talking about them with me for the book. His mother very much dominated him, and he moved to Los Angeles to get away from her.
B&N.com: What is the main idea that you want your readers to take from your book?
LL: I want people to understand that you make your own life. There is no curse on the Kennedys' life or any of our lives. We are given certain attributes and certain difficulties, and we have to deal with them. Modern science has taught us that we don't have as much freedom in how we make our lives as we thought. But there is at least a crack of light in the door. And that crack of light is our freedom. The Kennedys have it and you have it and I have it.
B&N.com: What is your next project?
LL: I am doing a biography of Arnold Schwarzenegger.